In this conversation, David discusses the concept of organizational therapy, its relevance in today's complex business environment, and how it differs from traditional consulting. He emphasizes the importance of understanding messy problems, diagnosing team dynamics, and the interplay between cultural and structural issues within organizations. David also shares insights on the common failures in transformation efforts, the dynamics of organizational culture, and the challenges modern teams face, particularly in the context of AI and virtual work. He reflects on his experiences, the importance of maintaining objectivity, and the future of his work in organizational therapy.